L.A. Times - Vernon agreed to pay $60 million to avoid disincorporation
Lets see if little Pimpernel has any mental abilities left. Now, the LA Times has reported that the City of Vernon had agreed to gift $60 million to surrounding small cities in exchange for being allowed to remain a city. Well that in and of itself is disgusting, basically a case of blackmail and bribery; but, let us think for a moment.
The City of Vernon doesn't know where it is going to get the money. I know where they are going to get the money. They are going to sell the land in Kern that they paid $60 million for. You can read about it in my earlier posts. A friend of Mayor Villaraigosa's bought the land in Kern with money supplied by public pensions. It was land that the LADWP was going to buy for about %60 million. After CIM and the Mayor's friend bought the land it made the papers and the city couldn't justify paying twice the amount that CIM paid for it and the City of Vernon bought the land without the water rights for about $60 million.
Now if the City of Los Angeles buys it from Vernon for $60 million then LADWP gets the land to put up their wind or solar farm; but, it is still not worth $60 million without the water rights. When this lie plays out I am going to refer people back to this post. Think it won't? Well consider the politics.
Los Angeles had already considered buying the land for about $60 million so nobody in Los Angeles will care. Vernon never needed the land in the first place so nobody in Vernon will care. The surrounding cities won't care because they all get bought off with money from Vernon. People in most of the state won't care because it doesn't effect them. NOBODY CARES except little Pimpernel and that is why this type of garbage will continue. When it happens come back and read all the posts tagged "pension fraud".
Monday, December 12, 2011
Sunday, December 11, 2011
Getting Crazy Out There
While the mainstream media largely ignores idiots unless they claim to belong to mainstream religions, there are a lot of crazy things out there right now and way too many people claiming to be prophets or ascended masters. I just read something by another person trying to prove that they have special knowledge given from our other worldly watchers or whatever he called them. I find it amusing that the book of Revelations says that in the end times there will be many false prophets, why would the end times be filled with false prophets? If you are in the end times then what are their prophesies? To be false their prophesies must prove false.
It is a logical conundrum; but, I think I have an answer. How can one be correct about saying that we are in the end times and incorrect at the same time? It is a riddle rather than a paradox. What if saying we were in the end times was accurate; but, that your end date was wrong made you a false prophet? If the earth is still here in 2013 then how many people that claimed the world would end next year would turn out to be false prophets? All.
My readers come from all beliefs and I have a separate site dedicated to the bible, this is more of a social and psychological post. You should also consider the logic when looking at government actions, it is an approach used to distract people. If you here a boy cry wolf enough and always turn out to be wrong then when he tells the truth nobody will listen. The best way to hide a key is to put it in a room full of keys.
My father taught me something about money. When they want to teach new Treasury agents how to spot counterfeits, they begin by teaching them how real is made, they teach them about every aspect of it from the paper to the ink to the pressings. Once you know the truth, the lies cannot long deceive you.
Now, if I were to read the old testament I would notice some things about prophets. Firstly, they usually live pretty miserably. It does not generally appear to be much fun. Secondly, they rarely have a message that others like, they usually have bad news with the hope of redemption if people change their ways. The new age prophets usually promise a great awakening, free energy and knowledge from either aliens or inter-dimensional beings. The one I read tonight basically covered all these areas.
For Christians my answer remains just about as simple. Love God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself. That is how you are ready for your end time regardless of what brings it about. Odds are that it will be a car wreck. Whether it is the end of the world or a car wreck, for you it will not matter. Speaking of car wrecks, a television producer backed into my car while I was stopped. I love living in Los Angeles.
Last Friday I was headed to a workplace and stopped to get coffee. I got my coffee, returned to my car and was leaving. The person in front of me pulled forward and made a left and then stopped, I followed and stopped. He then backed up about 25 feet and ran right into my front drivers door. He t-boned me in reverse while I was stopped. Oh, I hit the horn to warn him; but, it didn't do any good. Sometimes you can see what is coming; but, you cannot do anything about it. Maybe it is the same with the end of the world and maybe that is why we shouldn't know the time and the day.
If I had known that someone would have hit my car, I would not have gotten coffee there, I would have gotten it some place else. If I knew in advance what was going to happen then it would impact my free will. Prophets of God give up a part of their free will because they do as they are told, they do it for the love of others; but, they still do give up some degree of free will. I like my free will and I don't need to know exactly when my life will end.
As for the end of the world, I don't know the day or the hour. Will it come, yep. The dinosaurs all died and other planets have died. Ours will too. The material world is but a transient being, nothing material lasts forever. Peace and be well.
It is a logical conundrum; but, I think I have an answer. How can one be correct about saying that we are in the end times and incorrect at the same time? It is a riddle rather than a paradox. What if saying we were in the end times was accurate; but, that your end date was wrong made you a false prophet? If the earth is still here in 2013 then how many people that claimed the world would end next year would turn out to be false prophets? All.
My readers come from all beliefs and I have a separate site dedicated to the bible, this is more of a social and psychological post. You should also consider the logic when looking at government actions, it is an approach used to distract people. If you here a boy cry wolf enough and always turn out to be wrong then when he tells the truth nobody will listen. The best way to hide a key is to put it in a room full of keys.
My father taught me something about money. When they want to teach new Treasury agents how to spot counterfeits, they begin by teaching them how real is made, they teach them about every aspect of it from the paper to the ink to the pressings. Once you know the truth, the lies cannot long deceive you.
Now, if I were to read the old testament I would notice some things about prophets. Firstly, they usually live pretty miserably. It does not generally appear to be much fun. Secondly, they rarely have a message that others like, they usually have bad news with the hope of redemption if people change their ways. The new age prophets usually promise a great awakening, free energy and knowledge from either aliens or inter-dimensional beings. The one I read tonight basically covered all these areas.
For Christians my answer remains just about as simple. Love God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself. That is how you are ready for your end time regardless of what brings it about. Odds are that it will be a car wreck. Whether it is the end of the world or a car wreck, for you it will not matter. Speaking of car wrecks, a television producer backed into my car while I was stopped. I love living in Los Angeles.
Last Friday I was headed to a workplace and stopped to get coffee. I got my coffee, returned to my car and was leaving. The person in front of me pulled forward and made a left and then stopped, I followed and stopped. He then backed up about 25 feet and ran right into my front drivers door. He t-boned me in reverse while I was stopped. Oh, I hit the horn to warn him; but, it didn't do any good. Sometimes you can see what is coming; but, you cannot do anything about it. Maybe it is the same with the end of the world and maybe that is why we shouldn't know the time and the day.
If I had known that someone would have hit my car, I would not have gotten coffee there, I would have gotten it some place else. If I knew in advance what was going to happen then it would impact my free will. Prophets of God give up a part of their free will because they do as they are told, they do it for the love of others; but, they still do give up some degree of free will. I like my free will and I don't need to know exactly when my life will end.
As for the end of the world, I don't know the day or the hour. Will it come, yep. The dinosaurs all died and other planets have died. Ours will too. The material world is but a transient being, nothing material lasts forever. Peace and be well.
Saturday, December 10, 2011
Felt Pretty Weak for a Moment
I will try and finish this post; but, for no apparent reason I had an eye ache that led to a headache that led to me being nauseous. I felt fine all day and it hit me when I took a relative to dinner. I had to bring my dinner home and end the night early. I am feeling a little better now, just one of those things and as a result my writing may not be up to snuff.
I may just be some random blogger; but, I really take pride in knowing that people that read my blog will come away being aware of things that most people are not. I am blessed with having the time to read numerous news articles on a daily basis and pull out the one or two things that I think are the most important and might otherwise be overlooked. It is sort of like being the secretary who goes through and summarizes the news for her boss. I know secretaries can be men, mine was.
I was reading about the UN conference in South Africa that is going on. They want to declare the earth a person, I think I wrote about that over a year ago. They are also demanding an end to war because of the carbon emissions. That my dearest readers is true insanity. It means that carbon emissions are more important that human beings. Any person with any sense would like to see and end to war because of the impact to people.
Oh, they are also calling for the creation of a world court to prosecute people and nations for their impact on the environment. In other worlds a court that supersedes the courts of your country. I had stopped writing and was reading the papers and I just found an article saying that they passed the resolution.
Associated Press - Climate conference approves landmark deal
What was the top news story of the night, the Presidential debates and it is reported just like it mattered. I mean, just like a baseball game. Who's on first, What's on second, I don't know, third base. Just like the old comedy sketch.
The other story that is getting some play in limited release is the fact that the congress passed a bill that allows Americans to be detained without trial by the military in the United States. Doesn't this all sound more and more like a bad fiction novel? I mean really, first the Patriot Act, all these give away schemes by the Federal Reserve to the tune of trillions and now this nonsense. When were we taught that you didn't have a Constitutional right to a trial by your peers?
I forgot something, tens of thousands of protesters were in Russia calling for Putin to leave. As bad as the United States police have become, the ones in Russia are even worse. The Russians believe their elections were rigged and according to a former Soviet President, he thinks so too.
I forgot something else, a government contractor is seeking companies to work with it to provide medicine, food and other items should it need them to house untold numbers of American in camps. Huh? Now, I don't care what is anticipated, natural disaster because of solar flares, riots because of the collapse of the economy or some pandemic. It really does not matter to me; but, it is pretty obvious that our government is preparing for something.
BREAK IN WRITING
Sorry, had to step away mentally for a minute. I just read that there were three earthquakes in Mexico in the last day that exceeded 6 on the Richter scale. That is a lot, we should all pray for them. One of the nice things about living in the Los
Angeles area is that we made building codes that forced people to build with earthquakes in mind. We are not immune from earthquakes; but, have buildings that anticipate them. That is a good analogy for how we should live our lives.
Lost my train of thought again. Be well.
I may just be some random blogger; but, I really take pride in knowing that people that read my blog will come away being aware of things that most people are not. I am blessed with having the time to read numerous news articles on a daily basis and pull out the one or two things that I think are the most important and might otherwise be overlooked. It is sort of like being the secretary who goes through and summarizes the news for her boss. I know secretaries can be men, mine was.
I was reading about the UN conference in South Africa that is going on. They want to declare the earth a person, I think I wrote about that over a year ago. They are also demanding an end to war because of the carbon emissions. That my dearest readers is true insanity. It means that carbon emissions are more important that human beings. Any person with any sense would like to see and end to war because of the impact to people.
Oh, they are also calling for the creation of a world court to prosecute people and nations for their impact on the environment. In other worlds a court that supersedes the courts of your country. I had stopped writing and was reading the papers and I just found an article saying that they passed the resolution.
Associated Press - Climate conference approves landmark deal
What was the top news story of the night, the Presidential debates and it is reported just like it mattered. I mean, just like a baseball game. Who's on first, What's on second, I don't know, third base. Just like the old comedy sketch.
The other story that is getting some play in limited release is the fact that the congress passed a bill that allows Americans to be detained without trial by the military in the United States. Doesn't this all sound more and more like a bad fiction novel? I mean really, first the Patriot Act, all these give away schemes by the Federal Reserve to the tune of trillions and now this nonsense. When were we taught that you didn't have a Constitutional right to a trial by your peers?
I forgot something, tens of thousands of protesters were in Russia calling for Putin to leave. As bad as the United States police have become, the ones in Russia are even worse. The Russians believe their elections were rigged and according to a former Soviet President, he thinks so too.
I forgot something else, a government contractor is seeking companies to work with it to provide medicine, food and other items should it need them to house untold numbers of American in camps. Huh? Now, I don't care what is anticipated, natural disaster because of solar flares, riots because of the collapse of the economy or some pandemic. It really does not matter to me; but, it is pretty obvious that our government is preparing for something.
BREAK IN WRITING
Sorry, had to step away mentally for a minute. I just read that there were three earthquakes in Mexico in the last day that exceeded 6 on the Richter scale. That is a lot, we should all pray for them. One of the nice things about living in the Los
Angeles area is that we made building codes that forced people to build with earthquakes in mind. We are not immune from earthquakes; but, have buildings that anticipate them. That is a good analogy for how we should live our lives.
Lost my train of thought again. Be well.
Friday, December 9, 2011
The Mayor and a Letter
There is a letter circulating from Mayor Villaraigosa regarding the recent payment of $1.2 million to the ex-head of the Housing Authority. On Tuesday the L.A. Times reported that the Mayor said that he was unaware of the payment. While I may have personal doubts about that, the letter that people are now saying proves the Mayor lied was written yesterday. Now, obviously he knew about it by Thursday; therefore, the letter does not prove the Mayor knew in advance nor what he may or may not have known.
There is a blogger that I usually like named Ron Kaye and I recommend people read his writings; however, in this case I think he went to far in calling the Mayor a liar without more proof then he offered. Mr. Kaye was an editor of the L.A. Daily News and his words could certainly influence other people's opinions; therefore, I think a little more restraint is needed.
I want to talk for a minute about writing on the internet. Those who read my ramblings know a couple of things. Firstly, I attribute my sources and give links to the original articles. I do that so that people can make a decision for themselves. Secondly, I do not claim to be a reporter (and recently an internet blogger was sued and lost when she libeled someone without proof), I write my "opinions" and discuss my take on things.
The internet is a wonderful place to express ideas and exchange information; but, there is also a need to take some responsibility and give other people their due respect. I don't like the President and I didn't like the last two presidents; but, if you read my posts where I mention him I refer to him as either the President or Mr. Obama or President Obama. I do that because he deserves to be treated as such even by a lowly blogger like me.
When I was going through my divorce and afterwards I was very angry with my ex-wife; but, I have never given her name or my name on this blog. I haven't done it because it would be wrong. The readers either know me in person and what occurred or they have no idea of who she and I are. When I hear about people creating websites or posting on their blog about their ex and giving their name or address or other personal information I am in complete disagreement with them.
If blogs and twitter and facebook are going to continue being meaningful, people need to restrain themselves from using street talk insults and making accusations without firm facts to back them up. In my discussions about the pension problems I have made sure that numerous sources were quoted and have questioned many people's actions; but, I differentiate between proven allegations and speculation. Just because I believe someone is a crook does not mean that I should say that they are.
Peace.
There is a blogger that I usually like named Ron Kaye and I recommend people read his writings; however, in this case I think he went to far in calling the Mayor a liar without more proof then he offered. Mr. Kaye was an editor of the L.A. Daily News and his words could certainly influence other people's opinions; therefore, I think a little more restraint is needed.
I want to talk for a minute about writing on the internet. Those who read my ramblings know a couple of things. Firstly, I attribute my sources and give links to the original articles. I do that so that people can make a decision for themselves. Secondly, I do not claim to be a reporter (and recently an internet blogger was sued and lost when she libeled someone without proof), I write my "opinions" and discuss my take on things.
The internet is a wonderful place to express ideas and exchange information; but, there is also a need to take some responsibility and give other people their due respect. I don't like the President and I didn't like the last two presidents; but, if you read my posts where I mention him I refer to him as either the President or Mr. Obama or President Obama. I do that because he deserves to be treated as such even by a lowly blogger like me.
When I was going through my divorce and afterwards I was very angry with my ex-wife; but, I have never given her name or my name on this blog. I haven't done it because it would be wrong. The readers either know me in person and what occurred or they have no idea of who she and I are. When I hear about people creating websites or posting on their blog about their ex and giving their name or address or other personal information I am in complete disagreement with them.
If blogs and twitter and facebook are going to continue being meaningful, people need to restrain themselves from using street talk insults and making accusations without firm facts to back them up. In my discussions about the pension problems I have made sure that numerous sources were quoted and have questioned many people's actions; but, I differentiate between proven allegations and speculation. Just because I believe someone is a crook does not mean that I should say that they are.
Peace.
Wednesday, December 7, 2011
Housing Authority Bonus More Expensive than Occupy LA
Across the nation we were told how the Occupy movement cost $13 million in city costs. In Los Angeles we were told it might go as high as a million of a couple hundred thousand. We were told how the taxpayers were angry at the Occupiers. Here is something to be even more angry about.
LA Times - Villaraigosa didn't know about agency chief's payout, aide says
The man who headed the Housing Authority was fired and there were many complaints about money that he spent on travel. The punishment was that he was just awarded $1.2 million for leaving. That is more than what was spent on months of the Occupy LA movement to someone that just got fired and this goes on all the time for the people who are political appointees.
One might also consider the case of the rise in the costs of electricity and water at the LADWP that will result in Los Angelenos paying hundreds of millions in additional costs during a recession. These are the things that the Occupy movement were complaining about and that is why they had to be removed.
L.A. Daily News - Board backs `desperately needed' water-rate increase
Why didn't anyone tell the ex-head of the housing authority to stop whining, take a bath and get a job? Why didn't the media compare the two events? Nope, they come out and report that the Mayor was out of town and didn't know. Do you really believe that?
We don't need to agree on the solutions to the problems in government; but, we better begin agreeing on what the problems are in the government and in business and banking or nothing is going to get better. Don't call people whiners or lazy when they speak up because there is no work. Both the Tea Party and the Occupiers know what we all know, the system is rigged so that the insiders win and the rest of us get taken advantage of. It is not government employees that write the laws, it is lobbyists and your politicians, not bureaucrats, politicians and lobbyist direct the laws.
Maybe some people still don't get it. Forbes - Wiping Out Millions of Jobs is the Whole Darn Point
In short the writer for the magazine by and for millionaires asks why we should have more jobs than we need. He completely forgets about people because he doesn't care. A quote from the article, "For this is what we're actually hoping to do: destroy millions of jobs and thus get retailing done with less resources, with the use of less labour."
A couple of questions for the author Tim Worstall. Firstly, who is the "we" that you refer to that actually hope to eliminate jobs? Secondly, why do you think we created commerce and business, to give money to a few or to find productive ways to spend our time to benefit society? You are a douche bag sir. You also completely ignore why we automated, it was not to leave millions unemployed the claim was that it would give people more free time in order to pursue intellectual and spiritual purpose. Tough to do that when you are living on the street and hungry. Finally, you forget a very important lesson in history, it is about when civilizations fail. It occurs when they are the most efficient because there is no room for error and everyone eventually makes one.
According to Mr. Worstall, I find it ironic that Polly Toynbee called you a pendant. I would love to know if she was related to the great historian, Arnold Toynbee. He would disagree with you. So, what does Mr. Worstall think we should do with the excess labor, he doesn't outline how they should be treated or what they should be provided with. Do they just become excess humans, do they cease having meaning when you cannot make money off them?
The purpose of life is not to find out who can win the most toys or cheat the best. The purpose of life is to see how far we as humans can go without being genetically or technologically modified for the sake of commerce. The purpose of life is not to make things nice for a few; but, to make life better for all. To make a better world. Now that may involve people being rewarded differently; but, not the reduction in the number of people.
There is a concept called the singularity, it is about when machine surpasses man in intelligence. For many who are very wealthy, the same applies to humans. It is the point at which we don't need as many of them to remain wealthy at the top because automation can make things for us.
After the baby boom in the 40s and 50s the hippie generation of the 60s forced change. It scared the powers of the world because the hippies took charge and protested and got change. Right after the 60s, the world was terrorized with the threat of overpopulation. We were told that by the year 2,000 that the world would be out of food and clean water and a whole bunch of nonsense. Who funded these studies, while one of the biggest was the Rockefeller family. It was determined that there were too many people because they were taking charge and changing the world the way they wanted. Everything you are seeing happen in the world today was intended and planned. The term used in 1971 was "Population Stabilization" and it called for population control, restrictions on mobility and an elimination of all barriers between people.
I have linked to these reports in the past on this blog and don't feel like looking for them again, check the older posts. The links were to their own websites. Ask what you can do for society and what society can do for you. Kennedy was wrong. I could give everything for my country; but, there must be a payback unless I choose to give more freely, otherwise we benefit the wrong people. When I give my time for free it is not so that one person can benefit at the expense of everyone else. Especially not someone I don't know who is stealing from all of us. That is not why people give to charity.
If you want to understand the world you have to think about people first. We are not here for the rock that we live on, it is here for us. People matter more than rocks. Do not be blinded to the fact that we matter and are special, we are the self-awareness of the universe that is capable of understanding purpose and how this place all works. The rock that we live on cannot understand us, it is not self aware without us on it.
We all have to stop saying that "those" people don't matter, we all matter. We have to stop calling people drags on society, we have to start cherishing each other because that type of thinking is what leads to the type of thinking that only takes care of their own and takes advantage of everyone else.
LA Times - Villaraigosa didn't know about agency chief's payout, aide says
The man who headed the Housing Authority was fired and there were many complaints about money that he spent on travel. The punishment was that he was just awarded $1.2 million for leaving. That is more than what was spent on months of the Occupy LA movement to someone that just got fired and this goes on all the time for the people who are political appointees.
One might also consider the case of the rise in the costs of electricity and water at the LADWP that will result in Los Angelenos paying hundreds of millions in additional costs during a recession. These are the things that the Occupy movement were complaining about and that is why they had to be removed.
L.A. Daily News - Board backs `desperately needed' water-rate increase
Why didn't anyone tell the ex-head of the housing authority to stop whining, take a bath and get a job? Why didn't the media compare the two events? Nope, they come out and report that the Mayor was out of town and didn't know. Do you really believe that?
We don't need to agree on the solutions to the problems in government; but, we better begin agreeing on what the problems are in the government and in business and banking or nothing is going to get better. Don't call people whiners or lazy when they speak up because there is no work. Both the Tea Party and the Occupiers know what we all know, the system is rigged so that the insiders win and the rest of us get taken advantage of. It is not government employees that write the laws, it is lobbyists and your politicians, not bureaucrats, politicians and lobbyist direct the laws.
Maybe some people still don't get it. Forbes - Wiping Out Millions of Jobs is the Whole Darn Point
In short the writer for the magazine by and for millionaires asks why we should have more jobs than we need. He completely forgets about people because he doesn't care. A quote from the article, "For this is what we're actually hoping to do: destroy millions of jobs and thus get retailing done with less resources, with the use of less labour."
A couple of questions for the author Tim Worstall. Firstly, who is the "we" that you refer to that actually hope to eliminate jobs? Secondly, why do you think we created commerce and business, to give money to a few or to find productive ways to spend our time to benefit society? You are a douche bag sir. You also completely ignore why we automated, it was not to leave millions unemployed the claim was that it would give people more free time in order to pursue intellectual and spiritual purpose. Tough to do that when you are living on the street and hungry. Finally, you forget a very important lesson in history, it is about when civilizations fail. It occurs when they are the most efficient because there is no room for error and everyone eventually makes one.
According to Mr. Worstall, I find it ironic that Polly Toynbee called you a pendant. I would love to know if she was related to the great historian, Arnold Toynbee. He would disagree with you. So, what does Mr. Worstall think we should do with the excess labor, he doesn't outline how they should be treated or what they should be provided with. Do they just become excess humans, do they cease having meaning when you cannot make money off them?
The purpose of life is not to find out who can win the most toys or cheat the best. The purpose of life is to see how far we as humans can go without being genetically or technologically modified for the sake of commerce. The purpose of life is not to make things nice for a few; but, to make life better for all. To make a better world. Now that may involve people being rewarded differently; but, not the reduction in the number of people.
There is a concept called the singularity, it is about when machine surpasses man in intelligence. For many who are very wealthy, the same applies to humans. It is the point at which we don't need as many of them to remain wealthy at the top because automation can make things for us.
After the baby boom in the 40s and 50s the hippie generation of the 60s forced change. It scared the powers of the world because the hippies took charge and protested and got change. Right after the 60s, the world was terrorized with the threat of overpopulation. We were told that by the year 2,000 that the world would be out of food and clean water and a whole bunch of nonsense. Who funded these studies, while one of the biggest was the Rockefeller family. It was determined that there were too many people because they were taking charge and changing the world the way they wanted. Everything you are seeing happen in the world today was intended and planned. The term used in 1971 was "Population Stabilization" and it called for population control, restrictions on mobility and an elimination of all barriers between people.
I have linked to these reports in the past on this blog and don't feel like looking for them again, check the older posts. The links were to their own websites. Ask what you can do for society and what society can do for you. Kennedy was wrong. I could give everything for my country; but, there must be a payback unless I choose to give more freely, otherwise we benefit the wrong people. When I give my time for free it is not so that one person can benefit at the expense of everyone else. Especially not someone I don't know who is stealing from all of us. That is not why people give to charity.
If you want to understand the world you have to think about people first. We are not here for the rock that we live on, it is here for us. People matter more than rocks. Do not be blinded to the fact that we matter and are special, we are the self-awareness of the universe that is capable of understanding purpose and how this place all works. The rock that we live on cannot understand us, it is not self aware without us on it.
We all have to stop saying that "those" people don't matter, we all matter. We have to stop calling people drags on society, we have to start cherishing each other because that type of thinking is what leads to the type of thinking that only takes care of their own and takes advantage of everyone else.
Monday, December 5, 2011
Update to Post about Freedom of Assembly
Apparently, the Supreme Court has refused to take the case of the church that rented space at a New York city school. This mean that the decision by the Court of Appeals is currently the law of the land.
Fox News - Court: NYC Can Ban Churches From School Buildings
While I don't think that churches should want to meet in government owned buildings, they should at least be treated the same as any other group. What is most interesting was the courts statement that, "Bronx Household acknowledges that it excludes persons not baptized, as well as persons who have been excommunicated or who advocate the Islamic religion, from full participation in its services." The article said that the judge took acceptance that the church didn't allow Muslims or people who were not baptized in it's services.
Go back to the post about freedom of assembly and read what I wrote. This is not about religion although that is the biggest target, this is about your right to get together with people who believe as you do without allowing in people who disagree with you, the heart of freedom of association.
Fox News - Court: NYC Can Ban Churches From School Buildings
While I don't think that churches should want to meet in government owned buildings, they should at least be treated the same as any other group. What is most interesting was the courts statement that, "Bronx Household acknowledges that it excludes persons not baptized, as well as persons who have been excommunicated or who advocate the Islamic religion, from full participation in its services." The article said that the judge took acceptance that the church didn't allow Muslims or people who were not baptized in it's services.
Go back to the post about freedom of assembly and read what I wrote. This is not about religion although that is the biggest target, this is about your right to get together with people who believe as you do without allowing in people who disagree with you, the heart of freedom of association.
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