There is a town in Oklahoma. It is a very small town. The town is called Anadarko and it has about 7,000 people. The whole town is about seven square miles, it is smaller than three by three miles (that would be nine square miles). I drove through Oklahoma a couple of times, I didn't really care for it. I don't like flat land and the last time I drove through I saw a tornado, I despise the thought of tornadoes. Pastor Daniels chose to live there, she would drive every Sunday to Anadarko to pastor a flock who had mostly died off or were bedridden. She was a Pastor of a very small church.
In July of last year she was found murdered. The brutality of the murder left her head nearly severed off, her hair had been set on fire, she had been stripped (but not sexually used), had multiple stab wounds and was intentionally placed in the form of a crucifix. One prosecutor said it was the most horrific murder scene he had seen in over 20 years.
For almost a year the police have had custody of the church and have sought clues, they have nothing. Today the church was taken down and a memorial is to be built in honor of Pastor Daniels.
All murders are horrible; but, some catch our attention. This one caught mine. I was impressed by the commitment of Pastor Daniels. To drive all that way every Sunday on the chance that someone would need her is quite impressive. No dishonor to Anadarko; but, I can't think of one reason to go there other than the one Pastor Daniels had.
I wish to begin my discussion by saying that I pray to God that he bring peace to the family and hold Pastor Daniels in his heart. It is my intent of this post to discuss the failure of the police and this will require some rather blunt comments. I do not in anyway wish to take away from the importance of her murder, it is too tragic an event; but, the ongoing problem is that the police have not found and arrested the murderer and it should not be that difficult.
My therapist mentioned a type of logic he read about in a book, it is called thin slicing. That is what I am about to do. It means to cut to the quick of the issues and see some answers. Lets begin with the most important fact. The killer knew who Pastor Daniels was, where she would be and that it was unlikely anyone would come to the church. He felt safe and knew he could escape. I say he; but, there is a chance it could have been a female, I doubt that happened but we cannot exclude the possibility at present.
How do we know that the murderer knew her and the church. It is a town of 7,000 people in the middle of nowhere and the murderer came prepared. Lets start with some basic facts. Two of Pastor Daniels friends came by the church, they found the front door locked, they called the police. The police enterred and found Pastor Daniels nude, murdered and placed in the form of a crucifix. The weapon was some sort of blade and blood was everywhere. The police removed the back door so we can assume it had writing on it, probably in her blood (like the Manson murders). Prior to the murders two different suspicious fires had been started in the town. The church is situated next to a house and a convenience store. The store had a camera that showed the front of the church, nobody was seen coming in through the front door. That means they entered through the back door. Nobody was seen exiting the front door. That meant they left through the back door. The windows had wire mesh on them or were boarded up.
Now lets look at the most obvious facts. According to reports, Pastor Daniels showed up every Sunday. The murderer used a blade, not a gun. Using a blade is risky and means there is a good chance that the victim will be able to scream. While there is the remotest possibility that some traveling serial killer randomly found a small town 50 to 60 miles from Oklahoma City and was lucky enough to find a church that nobody attended so that he could kill a Pastor, it is not very likely. A stranger in a town of 7,000 risking walking the streets covered in blood is likely to get caught very quickly. Lets talk about the blood.
My ex-wife almost died in child birth. She hemorrhaged. The room was covered in blood to the point where the doctor apologized for my having to see it. Blood from knife wounds that are sufficient to kill someone will get everywhere. Pastor Daniels had multiple wounds. You can find the autopsy on line; but, I prefer that you don't. I usually recommend that people read the source documents and will provide links to them, in this instance the news articles should be sufficient for the reader.
The murderer planned this murder, he even brought some chemical to destroy dna evidence according to the police. Behind the building was some sort of field that could be seen from houses across the field. The neighbors would certainly notice a vehicle parked behind the church. That means the murderer walked or rode a bike to the church. We have every reason to believe he broke in through the back door and left the same way. How did the murderer know that a camera could see the front door?
As we know the murder was premeditated (he brought the chemicals) we begin to limit the number of suspects. Firstly, he knew Pastor Daniels (he at least knew who she was, where she would be and that it was unlikely anyone else would be at the church on a Sunday). That really limits the number of suspects. His weapon of choice, a blade, ensured that he risked being covered in blood. That means, because it was premeditated, that he either brought a change of clothes or did not have to walk far enough that he risked being seen covered in blood. How far would you walk covered in blood and not worry about being seen? I am going to bet it is a lot less than a block.
If you want to believe that the murderer brought a change of clothes, you still have the same problem. What was the change of clothes brought in and how do you get all of the blood off your face, arms, hands...
The area is getting smaller, the likely suspects are limited. I lived in towns of 6,000 people twice. Small towns mean everyone knows everyone's business. I don't like small towns anymore than I like flat land. Now lets talk about killers, there are organized and disorganized killers. This one was organized. The propping of the body and whatever was written on the door were meant to distract the police, the use of a chemical to destroy evidence proves that the murderer thought about the killing for awhile. He was organized and everything he did was planned.
We have a killer who knew the habits of the victim and the area. He knew to use the back door, he felt comfortable in the area and believed the screams would not be heard. How could he know such a thing if he was not within a block regularly on Sundays? He couldn't. That does not leave many suspects and the police still have no clues.
There was killer in Kansas City (actually he lived in Park City but killed mostly in Kansas City) who went by the moniker BTK. He managed to not get caught for over 40 years because the Kansas City police wanted to believe he was not one of their own. We want to believe that killers are unlike us, we want to believe that we would notice them. It is usually a relative or someone we know. That is 70% of all murders.
Now we can dissect what we know and believe me the options are limited. How many people were within one block of the murder on Sundays and knew that nobody was likely to go to the church or hear the screams? I bet you the number is less than ten. If one goes to Google earth and looks at the street view you will see that it is not possible for there to be more than that number.
I pray that Pastor Daniels murderer is caught, I am frustrated that it has not happened yet. I hope I do not have to post on this again in a year. I will say one more thing, a year ago I contacted the police in Oklahoma regarding this matter. I never received a response and provided them with my personal information.
2018 UPDATE:
104 comments:
Thank you for an excellent piece on Pastor Daniels. I too pray for her family and that the killer be caught (and converted, while being kept out of society).
It is my general experience that no one contacts you when you send in tips and then they mock if you aren't 120% sure. Can barely get police to do their job when I've gotten bizarre threats. This is too complex, FBI should have been called at once. I want to know how many agents OSBI really has and case load.
An ex-Marine undergoing sex change murdered a woman pastor in TX several months after Rev. Daniels was killed, then hung himself -- one who had fantasies of killing women for decades. No one will say publicly if OSBI, FBI, Marshalls, etc. even looked into the possibility that the murderer of Rev. Karen Lee Johnson is or is not the killer of Rev. Carol Daniels.
All women who deal with pastoral work (pastors, assistants, secretaries) are at risk from a growing number of porn fed psychotics and sociopaths -- they don't warn theology students about this in college enough -- perhaps now they'll start.
Dearest Mary Kathryn,
I went and read some of your blog, I also looked up Reverend Karen Lee Johnson. I do not believe the two deaths are by the same person. Having said that, the reasons my have an association.
It is possible that the murderers had told the pastors something and then later have regretted it. I do not know this to be true; but, it is a possibility.
I believe the "sensational" aspects of Pastor Daniels death were intentionally done to misdirect police. The police removed the back door because it had something written on it, probably in blood. That is an attempt to make people think it is the work of a "Manson" type group. The perp probably knew that Lynette Squeaky Fromme had been released, maybe it gave him the idea.
The crucifiction pose is right out of the Exorcist book and movie. These are imitation moves of someone trying to hide their intent not someone trying to implicate themselves.
In closing, dearest lady, all true Christians are at risk. Many saints will die and cry for justice in heaven. As you pray, so do I, I pray that they learn rather than receive punishment. Be well.
First time I've come across your blog. Also, first post I've read but I plan to look further in a moment.
Two leaps of logic in your analysis that concern me:
The assertion that writing must have been on the back door--in blood no less; it is more likely that police wanted to preserve fingerprints and other trace evidence, any markings indicating style of entry, or anything else. Writing on a door in blood is, in my opinion, pretty much a one-off in the Cielo Dr murders.
Concluding that perp must live nearby because had to be walking; a car could be driven and parked nearby, and the perp could walk from there.
Just as a matter of further interest, have you run across the Arliss Perry murder at a Stanford Church in the 60s/70s. Her husband, in TX, has an interesting post-Arliss history, too.
Thanks for this! tapu
Dear tapu,
Welcome. While the blog is not about murder cases, this one just doesn't seem right and caught my attention. It is also the second most read post of all time for me (not that I have much readership).
In regards to the back door, it had writing on it, I would bet on it and may have even read something on it. It seems pretty clear that the killer entered through the back door; but, forensics would have been able to remove fingerprints and such, by the way I don't believe they have any fingerprints and have never sad that they did.
I saw something on how the church has been demolished so I don't know if you can view it on google earth, I did at the time. Behind the church, which was very small, was a vacant lot and then some more houses. Someone would be noticed parking in that lot, it is a very small town. I lived in a town of 6,000 and if a new car showed up, everybody noticed. We know the car did not park in front because of the video camera at the store.
Whoever killed her was either the luckiest murderer in history because he found a pastor with not attendees to the church on a Sunday or knew she would be alone.
From all reports this was a very bloody crime scene, the killer could not avoid getting blood all over themselves. To even attempt to walk a full block on a Sunday without being seen covered in blood would be way too risky. I just cannot buy it. In a big town, sure nobody notices people from the outside, in a town of little more than a thousand, I cannot see it.
I have another issue, if it was just random then why didn't they park in front? They would not have expected the small convenience store to have a camera that saw in front of the church. Reports said that the person who killed her used chemicals to clean up any dna traces, that is preparation. This was a well planned murder made to look like a religious killing when it is probably not.
It should also be noted that there were a couple of suspicious fires in the days just before the murder. I certainly not say that I know the answer for sure; but, I do think the questions are worth considering. Take care.
I would say it was more than one killer but if not I would say the Killer/s wore a plastic suit and covers for their shoes and face shields like the guy "Dexter" (Showtime) he/they also bought plastic bags to put these bloody clothes in. It does seem they still had to wash somewhere the bathroom should have some DNA or they bought wipes/towels with them and packed everything up and left in bags they bought. I believe they may be from the city or had met this Pastor every Sunday somewhere she would stop along her many miles commute (Gas, Convience Store etc.) I believe she had spoken with this person before and
may had been expecting them this Sunday. I believe this was a very organize "Racial" killing to gain rank in a well organize state to state White Supremicist Group in retaliation to President Obama taking office 7 months before. Ipray God continues to bless All those he loved and knew her and for sure her killer/s already know they have a court date with their Creator and God and Pastor Carol Daniels.
Pastor Carol Daniels Murder took place 1/2 a block away from the Police dept. That's too close for even a planned murder ,Yes? I strongly believe there is a lot hate in the world today! Now if a small town police officer carried this hate how far would he have to walk!!!
No your thinking C'mon a police officer No-way! Where's the motive or lets say lack of motivation! A camera man found a non-related knife accross the street from the Quiet Church? Not even the sewer's were check! Also
have they been checked to this day? If so how long did it take the police or Camera man to finally check them! Where's the effort or lack of effort by local police 1/2 a block away on a hot summer day! I'msure the church didn't have central air! windows had to be open! Sound travels especially in a quiet church quiet town? I haven't forgotten have you?
When a killer feels safe,which they do in Anadarko,Ok they will not make a mistake! They think case is closed!
Send the homeland Polygraph Van to Anadarko!!!! Make sure is say's homeland Security on the Van! I believe the killer's will get nervous
even the police Dept. should be tested!
Dear Readers,
This post continues to get new people coming to this blog. Because of this I will continue to publish comments. There has been a lot of views recently regarding this post and I do not know why or if anything new is happening with the case, if there is then please feel free to update all of those who may come here.
I would like to start a website or Facebook page rallying support on finding her killer, but I am scared...I search the web ever so often in hopes that the killer or new clues have been found. Did anyone hear about the woman who lived near the church that noticed that there was a squatter in her basement? He could have easily been watching Pastor Daniels and studying this.This is such a horrible tragedy, and I think we can all do some good by drawing attention to the case. Let's remain vigilant and call the tip line with any new ideas. I will check this blog regularly...
I live about thirty minutes south of Anadarko, and I must say, a lot of these comments miss some very key components of Oklahoma's social fabric (given the comments of the initial author, I wouldn't expect it). First, Anadarko IS a very small town, but it is also a town ravaged by poverty and drugs. People in such situations are much less likely to notice or (particularly) to report suspicious activity because they don't want the law looking at them either. In such a town, by the way where murders are NOT terribly uncommon, investigations rarely have the resources and expertise that even my town could provide, so it is hardly surprising that something like this could be unsolved. Even more important, the rural nature of this state makes it rather easy for people to disappear and live off the grid. These factors, when taken together, mean that this murder, while especially grizzly, is not something unheard of, and definitely not the complex serial killer conspiracy that some have wanted to make it. Federal investigators were certainly involved, but honestly, they are so far out of touch from the local dynamics that they have little chance of uncovering anything except through sheer luck. Small towns in Oklahoma often have quite large populations of 'minorities', and these people are considerably less likely to cooperate with authorities (reasonably, given their history). The pastor's murder could have simply been a methed-out lunatic who was tweaking enough to cover his tracks--at least long enough for hard evidence to get buried by time and dust.
To the last commenter. Thank you for giving us some local insight. I personally have only driven through Oklahoma a couple of times in my life and only know what I have read about Anadarko. Like you, I do not believe it was a serial killer. A meth user is certainly a possibility; but, the motive is hard to see. Pastor Daniels was selected by the murderer, it was not a random killing and the murderer came prepared, those imply a personal knowledge of Pastor Daniels, her habits and the infrequent nature of people attending the services. Perhaps someday we will find out who killed her; but, apparently the case is not finding any new evidence.
Thank you for this article. Very sad situation. And what is even sadder is that not one person has been held or questioned for her murder. Shame on you Anadarko Police! Shame on you! And then the town comes together, tears down her church and plans a memorial. How about coming together to SOLVE HER MURDER and bring JUSTICE! How about that!
Evangelist Daniels, as I affectionately called her, was a wonderful person. I knew her from highschool, and was in attendance at her wedding . . . certainly a beautiful family,
Her Parents, grandmother and sister were very devote and devoted people of the Lord, God-fearing and loving. Such a lovely woman.
I am so grateful that you have undertaken the heartfelt task of posting vital and provocative candor about this horrendous tragedy, and that it will in someway bring about a greater interest in this case that will lead to an arrest of the perpertator. It's difficult to believe that someone could be so cruel and heartless.
I pray that the culprit will be caught, confess, and convicted, finally, will ask God for forgiveness for what has been done. Yes, God can and does forgive . . . and His way(s) is far from that of man. The justice of God is greater than that of man. His justice is without flaw.
Sir, keep up the good work on your blogging about this case.
Sincerely,
Dear Anonymous who knew Pastor Daniels in High School,
Thank you for your kind words, I don't know quite what to say. I read about the case when it happened and it touched me. Please convey my deepest sympathy to her family should you see them.
I had taken this blog down twice and deleted all of my posts. This is the third iteration and I would have taken it down also, except for the interest people have taken in Pastor Daniels. Peace.
Thank you for your blog about my sister-in-law Pastor Carol Daniels.
It has been three long years now and Police and OSBI still haven't reported any new leads or suspects.
Today,Her brother and I drove to the town of Anadarko,Oklahoma. We hadn't been there before. We wanted to see the memorial that had replaced the church building where she died.
It's a very nice memorial. Very serene. There are 2 benches for people to rest and pray and 2 slabs memorializing her work with her favorite Bible verses. In the very center of the memorial is a large cross with the letters IHS standing for "In His Service" engraved on it.
We all miss her so much. Please keep our family in your thoughts and prayers.
Dear Linda,
Your kind words have touched me deeply. Please convey my sympathies to all your family members. I never expected anyone would read my blog other than a couple of people who knew me from prior writings on a different site. Over a thousand people have read about Pastor Daniels on this blog. It has remained my top post. Not a week goes by that I don't find people searching for your sister in laws name. People care and remember her. I hope I get to meet her someday when my life is over.
I have been following this story since it happened and in fact, have come to this area to stay for a few months while trying to gather info on this senseless crime. I won't waste time and space summarizing details that have already been posted but I would like to add a few comments and thoughts to this blog.
First of all one of the police officers that arrived on the scene that morning has committed suicide inside the police station. It has been stated he was having marital problems and is the reason for the suicide but I do find it interesting that he did so inside the police station.
Second of all, and most importantly, in my mind, is the one and only witness states he saw a man covered in blood leaving the front door of the church YET it was leaked a video would have captured a person(s) entering or leaving the front so therefore he must have entered and exited through the other door.
Thirdly this one witness stated he was at the car wash on the opposite side of the street when he witnessed this person leaving covered in blood and yet the weapon is said to have been found AT THE CAR WASH.
Forth, this same "witness" had worked at the church doing handy work in the past as had he ALSO worked for the people at the News Paper office that BURNED the night before the murder.
Fifth, this same witness had been sleeping in a "garage" area or maintenance area where it would be common to find chemicals such as a de-greaser which was rumored to have been used to destroy evidence at the scene.
Sixth, I was told Carol Daniels clothing was found in the basement of the house next door. (there was a door that led to the basement on the outside of the house on the church side).
This "homeless" man still wonders the streets of Anadarko and yet I have never heard a single soul question all his statements which would be totally false according the reports put out by the media and/or authorities in the area.
I will close by saying.. IF this witness was at the car wash across the street and did see what he states then how did the weapon end up underneath his location in a drain IF the suspect came out of the church and went the opposite direction as this homeless man states?
I would like to hear other peoples views on these statements, they just don't add up to me.
Regarding the last post. I know the man you are referring to that gave information to the police. I have known him for 15 years. He is neither smart enough nor capable enough to carry out this murder. He was questioned and it was determined that he was not a suspect or a real witness. He was in fact drunk or high which he is most of the time. He was getting attention and said what he did. False information as it has been proven the person did NOT leave by way of the front door. The knife found at the car wash was determined to NOT have been the weapon. As far as the police officer that committed suicide in the police station, he did it in front of his girlfriend who had just had his baby. Thus the martial problems plus he had suffered depression since finding Pastor Daniels. I don't have the answers. Pastor Daniels worked with some dangerous people in OKC. They were refugees from Hurricane Katrina and moved here many believing and practicing in voodoo and the demonic. You would not have to live here to plot this crime. You would just have to be familiar with her schedule, the lack of congregation and the surroundings. As the blogger reported.. the Anadarko police department didn't have the experience or the resources to solve this murder. I'm convinced it was no one that lived in Anadarko. Someone slipping in from out of town and slipping right back out makes more sense. I'm only posting as "anonymous" because my husband is former law enforcement here and has had information given to him.
Dear anonymous (wife of former law enforcement officer),
To the person who wrote the last comment. Well said. I have to agree with you. The "homeless guy" clearly did not see anything as the back door was what was used and not the front door because they had video of the front door according to reports.
Thank you for the information about the people Pastor Daniels had been working with in Oklahoma City, I had not read that before.
I still tend to believe it was someone local. The person knew the building and apparently knew that they would not be seen if they came in through the back door, that strongly implies this was not their first time in Anadarko.
There was a killer in Kansas called BTK (real name Dennis Rader, they didn't find him for four decades partially because they did not want to believe that it was one of their own or that he could act normal. Turned out they were all wrong and he was just like them in his public life.
I will continue to believe it was a local until I have a reason to believe otherwise. Most people are killed by people they know. The killer did know that Pastor Daniels would likely be alone and that is something that either she had told them or they had witnessed. I don't believe a stranger from Oklahoma City could stake out the church multiple times, as it would have taken, and not be noticed in a town of 6,000 that close to the police station. My opinion and thanks for your comments.
As a former resident of Anadarko it is greatly appreciated that someone has taken interest in Rev. Daniels' death. There are plenty of rumors that have surfaced but none have led to anyone being convicted. I have heard from a family member that at least 2 local men were questioned and there was another local man of interest that practiced some type of cult worship. It was also said that clothing was found in the basement of a house that was on the same block of the church. I'm not sure how true it is but I was told that the woman that lived there was so shaken up that she left town for awhile. The home next door to the church was occupied during the time of the murder. The man living there was said to have not heard anything. There was not that much space between the house and the church so this is another oddity (unless the man is a hard sleeper or had the tv/music playing loud).
I believe, as you do, that the killer is someone who has lived or currently lives in Anadarko, This killing was in broad daylight during a time when people are out and about, especially at the Step-N-Fetch convenience door. This was an extremely bold move by the killer.
I think the fires set not long before the killing had nothing to do with the murder. The police officer committing suicide also has no relevance to the murder. It was a tragic, sad situation that was related to personal problems and happened at the police station.
I pray that her murderer is found and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Passing her memorial whenever I visit my hometown is a disheartening reminder of the evil that exists among us.
While I would not want to move back to Anadarko there are plenty of worse towns a person could end up in. I have family members that still live there and I do not hesitate to visit often.
This is a response to the comment directly above.
According to various reports there were some members of a band that sang about "Satan" and had a concert in the area; but, they seem to have been cleared of any involvement years ago. There was also a report that police had traveled as far as Chicago to speak to people.
As for Pastor Daniels clothes being found in another building, that is not my understanding. What I read, somewhere, was that someone had been living in the basement of a house nearby. Again, nothing came of it to the best of my knowledge.
There was an article yesterday that said Pastor Daniels mother wanted to know what had become of her purse and briefcase. This is interesting in that I had never read of anything being taken from the church before.
The fires had everything to do with the murder.
Her murder will never be solved. sad, but true.
They were trying to go "Hollywood" and they need a certain amount of bloodshed to make their mark in the world.
I was near another one of those churches in the city at the time. If I recall correctly, I had a air conditioner vent screw in my tire that time. A black preacher had repaired a AC unit, and their own race of "Bernardy Green" had tailed me into the area.
Solving one woman's murder isn't large enough for them. It can't be done. Besides, that knife in the car wash could have come from anywhere the way they stalk and terrorize in the state in an effort to keep people spying on each other from one major feat to the next.
They steal knives. I'm missing three left outside. Perhaps one was used to tear up the top of a 4 wheel drive nearby. A neighbor living part-time in another state had one place in her back yard. When she came home one night and found her porch light was out, she was terrified. That's what their stalking does to people. But they don't care. They want to demonstrate they are as smart and as slick as the big city folk-regardless of who dies!
Dear Anonymous 8/30/2013,
I don't know much about Oklahoma and even less about Anadarko. If this crime is to be solved, it will be because one of you who lived in the area was told something by someone involved or someone who knew someone involved.
I have lived in small towns, towns of 6,000 people and I hated it. I detest everyone knowing me and appreciate the freedom of large cities. I like to be left alone and free of drama. Small towns seem to promote drama and over reaction to me. I believe the fires had something to do with Pastor Daniels killing, at a minimum, knowing who started the fires may allow us to eliminate a suspect, there are only 6,000 in my humble opinion.
It is insanity, in my opinion, to believe that some psychotic Satanist, randomly, chose to go to Anadarko, on a Sunday, 500 feet from a police station to kill someone with a knife, risking being heard and knew that they could enter and leave through the backdoor. This is garbage. The killer knew her pattern and lived there.
The church that Pastor Daniels belonged to is anti-gay and black. That may or may not have anything to do with her killing. From what I can tell, the town is heavily American Indian. I do not believe that those things are involved. There are plenty of racial towns with plenty of racial motives, killings in those places don't usually go to such extremes. The staging of Pastor Daniels shows a unique intent, one aimed at subterfuge.
We are faced with a simple dilemma. How did the killer know that the church would be empty? The average church in America has 50 members, who would try and use a knife to kill someone in front of 50 people? What was the motive if it was not money and it was not Satanism? There was a motive, what was it?
I hate saying this; but, Pastor
Daniels was in a church that was loosing membership, the church was dying off and they destroyed it after she died. Whoever killed her was not afraid of a Christian revival and knew nobody was attending regularly. How did they know these facts?
I saw the blog from a high school friend that the pastor had been married. And,I think somewhere I heard she was divorced. The usual suspect is the ex-husband or boyfriend. Now, if this is not the case here, then the killer need only say "the devil made me do it." Case closed.
Dear Mr. Conklin,
I have not read anything implicating her husband or even discussing him. It is highly likely that he was at least considered and ruled out. It should be noted that her children have not accused him.
As for the idea that this was done by a Satanist, there have not been any other similar cases as one might expect if it were some crazed fanatic.
This occurred in a very small town about 500 to 1,000 feet from the Police station. The front door was taped by a camera and the backdoor could be seen from the police station and from the gas station on the next block.
As we have not had any evidence of what the motive may have been, we can only look at what we do know. We know that on a Sunday morning someone or some people entered the church through the back door. Sometime after she arrived someone attacked her with a knife. The person came prepared and used some chemical to destroy the dna evidence.
As the autopsy revealed defensive wounds (I have read the autopsy online; but, have not posted it because it might disturb the family). It is very likely that she screamed, at a minimum it was a big risk for the attacker.
The person who did this was very familiar with the area and with what went on at the church. They knew they could get in and out and not be noticed which indicates they knew the coming and going of the people on the block.
If we assume that the Oklahoma Bureau of Investigation and the local police looked at all of the cameras in the area, we must also assume they did not see anything unusual.
It is possible that the police have a suspect; but, because of the lack of dna evidence, have nothing to prove their case.
oh,yeah, thx for putting up this blog. We need to do what we can to keep this case alive...
http://newsok.com/reward-renewed-for-information-in-oklahoma-pastors-slaying/article/3703493
I wish to thank Mr. Conklin for notifying us that the reward has been renewed regarding Pastor Daniels. I know that I have previously posted the phone number for the OSBI somewhere in the comments. Should anyone have any additional information, please contact them.
I'm willing to start a Facebook page to get more notoriety and awareness on this case, just want to generate enough attention. Let me know if anyone is interested.
Dear Anonymous of Dec 1, 2013,
Thank you for your offer. I don't use or do Facebook; but, I would support any site that makes people aware about this case. As you posted anonymously, I don't know how people can respond to what you have asked.
Start the Facebook page and they will come. I still get searches about Pastor Daniels. I will link to your Facebook page if you provide me with the link.
I went back and read all the comments. Wow. Comments from her family, comments from people who knew the town. I read an article years ago about this tragic situation and it effected me on a personal level. I wrote about it, not even close to being what started this blog. Somehow this blog has become a place for this case to continue being discussed and that is good enough for me.
I don't use Facebook; but, my understanding is that it is constantly updated and this blog is not. I don't update the Pastor Daniel story unless I find something new and have probably written no more than 6 or 7 stories where I even mention her. A Facebook page sounds like a great idea.
Take everything that I have ever posted about Pastor Daniels and put it on your Facebook page and I will then feel free to end this blog. "To sleep, perchance to dream". This story deserves to be remembered and I believe the OSBI does remember it based on their recent actions.
Thank you. I am in the process of setting up the page as we speak; will post the link once completed. If anyone has any questions, please send them to:
helpsolve.pcd@gmail.com
Thanks
Pimpemel, very interesting blog and perspectives on Pastor Carol Daniels tragic murder. I am a firm believer that Good triumphs over Evil and that the light will eventually shine through..
I live in the north GA mountains and am a member of the Websleuths crime sleuthing community. My Nickname on this forum is Foxfire, previously & on other forums; Wolfscratch. For the past 6+ years I have been researching cases where sexual predators/serial killers are indicated.
We have been researching an Alaskan serial killer; Israel Keyes. I am very confident that IK may be responsible for Pastor Daniels heinous murder. There are many threads on IK on the Websleuths Forum. One focuses on the Carol Daniels murder; http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88118&page=9&highlight=israel+keyes
See Wolfscratch's posts on this Topix forum thread. Pay attention too the Discovery ID Dark Minds episode season 3; http://www.topix.com/forum/city/oklahoma-city-ok/TPLAK039MLUU2A033/p5#lastPost
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AK SK Israel Keyes traits, etc;
Arsonist; 2 suspicious fires
IK's Preferred firearm 38 Cal-38 cal firearm found in the grass by the gazebo across from the Anardarko Daily News(found by owners of the ADN who gave it to APD) the day of the fire(one day before Pastor Daniels murder) APD did not connect the dots, imo.
IK used chemicals on his victims(forensically aware)
IK's weapon of choice; Knife.
IK was organized and would place kill kits across the US years before committing the murders.
IK, also robbed banks to support his travels(construction co was only a front)
IK was very brazen; ran half marathons, bicyclist, avid hiker.
IK had no victim profile and was bisexual & necrophiliac..
"Israel Keyes was the Devil's Deciple"! IK was an Emulator; a serial killer that copied many prior & added his on twists of creativity to prevent being patterned by the FBI BAU2. The FBI has requested the public's help to identify his many unknown victims. IK was arrested for the abduction/murder of Samantha Koenig(AK), but later committed suicide in jail and took this info to the grave rather than share it..
Wolfscratch/Foxfire
"We have been researching an Alaskan serial killer; Israel Keyes. I am very confident that IK may be responsible for Pastor Daniels heinous murder"
was he in the area?
wasn't he in Alaska?
Dear Anonymous and Mr. Conklin,
Thank you for your comments, as you can see, I have posted them. In addition, my newest post is specifically about them and I have sent an e-mail thanking the website WebSleuths for continuing to keep an interest in the case.
Pastor Daniels has been a great inspiration to me personally, even though I never met her. When I would go to preach and nobody showed up or just one or two, I thought of Pastor Daniels and how she did it every week. I cannot tell you how disheartening it is to be the only person to show up to church; but, she did it for the benefit of two elderly members and whoever else might show up.
I think it might be useful to your organization to understand Pastor Daniels and not just the killer. Pastor Daniels drove around 65 miles on Sunday morning to preach and minister to a couple of very old people and was still trying to help others in a community that she didn't live in. As far as I can tell, her children are all Christians and that says a lot. Hypocrites that call themselves Christians turn their children away from Christianity. She led her children to Christ by the life she led.
Pimpermel, although websleuths is primarily a crime sleuthing forum. It is a victim friendly forum as well as a strictly moderated forum for creating awareness for the missing and victims of homicide, etc. There are also 40,000+ unidentified remains in jane/john doe morgues all across the US. Websleuths members have done an excellent job assisting medical examiners/coroners and other authorities in connecting these victims with their next of kin/families.
Pimpemel, Thank you for sharing the personal info on Pastor Carol Daniels and her family. There are ms media article & video links at the PCD websleuths forum thread of her son's interviews, anniversaries, memorials, etc.
Imo, it is very important to see justice served in her case, but it is also equally important to keep her memory alive..
Legacy Guest Book - Pastor Carol Daniels;
http://www.legacy.com/guestbooks/carol-daniels-condolences/131834205#sthash.1q7HkiDF.dpbs
Dear Anonymous,
Thank you. I feel a duty to Pastor Daniels family, they have not asked such; but, I feel it in my heart. I feel a duty to filter what I allow on my blog to be honorable and as I said, I found your site to be respectful. I have no editors, this is a single man show and I make mistakes; but, in regards to Pastor Daniels family, I feel a duty to be careful.
I in no manner way, shape or form intended to denigrate the Websleuths site and would not have posted information about it if I thought it was disrespectful of the families. NOTHING goes on this blog that has not been read and evaluated by me.
I will applaud WebSleuths for finding people who care about bringing peace to families that have experienced crime. I will applaud the members for spending their time seeking justice for these families. I ask and believe that Pastor Daniels family would ask for sympathy for all involved or effected in these crimes. She has been an inspiration to me.
RE: Israel Keyes was in Alaska;
IK lived in Anchorage, AK, but hunted his prey all over the US in unsuspecting locations. IK was meticulous and was active for 14+ years w/o a victim profile. IK would go dark to prevent being patterned or detected by FBI VICAP. IK, forensically and investigative aware, would remove the battery from his cell phone, fly to a major city, rent a car, and then drive hundreds or even thousands of miles where he had kill kits buried from his previous travels for future murders.
The motive for Pastor Daniels murder is not singular, but very complicated. IK had family in the Dallas, TX area and is suspected in TX murders, arsons, and bank robberies. IK, was interviewed by the FBI for months after his arrest in TX. He stated that he had not been getting enough anonymous media attention for his murders or his ability to remain stealth from the FBI for over a decade.
Imo, there are no indications that law enforcement was involved in any way. Most LEAs; APD, are not trained or budgeted, nor do they have the resources to investigate a murder as complicated as Pastor Daniels, imo. Experienced stranger predators leave only unseen residue, even to the most seasoned homicide investigators. These malignant predators are very calculating, creative, deflective, and manipulative psychopaths..
Wolfscratch
Dear Wolfscratch,
While I do believe that there is sufficient evidence to question whether or not Mr. Keyes could have committed the crime, I see no evidence that he did. The truth is that there are many people who could have killed Pastor Daniels for a great variety of reasons. A quick read through the comments will show that there has been an increase in the killing of Pastors; but, there is no evidence that this crime was part of a larger pattern.
I recommend that you read the first comment on this thread by Mary Kathryn. For now, all I know is what has been reported and it is not much.
Pastor Daniels was killed one block away from a police station, the church sign stated that there would be Sunday school at 9:30 even though the murder took place around 10. The killer either knew that the church would not hold the service or was hoping to kill her with a knife in front of witnesses and 5 feet away from another house. They could not have been too concerned about the neighbor hearing the screams. That requires a very good knowledge of the area, in my opinion.
Pimpernel
My earlier comment was cut short.
As mentioned before- I am almost convinced that IK murdered Pastor Daniels. The fact that he considered murdering someone in a church and said he may leave them there, the fact that a chemical solvent was poured around her body and set afire and IK was known for using Drano in his missions. People say "no- it doesn't sound like his past crimes." Did you also know that he made it a point to switch up his methods to confuse detectives and deter them from his trail? Did you know that he rented a car in Chicago and drove it to Vermont to murder but to elude authorities yet again?
If you ask me, he went to Anadarko prior to this and scoped her out as his next victim. In another article I read, I saw that IK did some construction work for a Native American reservation (or clients; sorry about any inaccuracy, but they were definitely NA) before starting his company. Isn't it interesting that Anadarko is mostly Native American?
Dear honabee,
I understand what you have written and have published your comments. I am however convinced that it was someone local. Consider the time of day, the location and weapon. Killing a preacher in a church on a Sunday when services are said to be done. Killing someone one block away from the police station with a knife who might scream. If it was IK, he got really lucky by accident and I don't believe in accidents.
How did he know to enter through the back door when a camera from another building was watching the front of the church? I cannot believe that more than a couple of people knew where that camera was or that it could see the front of the church. Someone just traveling through that town would not know about that camera or where it was aimed.
In the end it does not matter which of us is correct if there is no evidence to tie someone to the crime. With no DNA, no witnesses and no confession, it is hard to see how the OSBI can solve the case. Lets hope for a confession.
Yes, it could have been a "random" killing, but the details of it suggest that someone thought they were settling a score. I think it's very likely someone that knew her: the usual suspects: the ex-husband or the ex-boyfriend.
I guess the witness that says he saw the killer leave was not considered credible...no sketch was released to my knowledge?
Dear Al,
Firstly, major kudos on your choice of avatars.
I do NOT believe this was a random killing and never said I thought it was. I believe it was a premeditated murder, the planning proves that. The killer came with chemicals and very possibly a change of clothes. There is little to no chance that someone could have walked more than 2 blocks with blood all over themselves and not be noticed a block away from the police and on a street that led to a casino, with a gas station one block away. This is all easily shown by reading the articles and going to Google Street View.
I will bet $1,000 to charity that the killer entered and left through the back door. I do not know the dimensions; but, there is a vacant lot between the church and a series of houses behind it. There are businesses and cameras pointed in front of the church, there are also houses. The exit was most likely to an adjacent house or to the street on the right of the church which led to a vacant house.
Who the heck would know all of that? It took me years to discover that and I had help from people that lived there and reading lots of articles.
As for the "witness", he was a homeless guy that lied. He claimed that he saw the killer leave through the front door (which was filmed and showed no such thing) covered in blood with a ski mask one block away from a police station in view of a gas station. This church had the police station on it's left (looking out the front door) and the gas station one block away to the right, same perspective. This is on a major street for a nothing town of about 6,000 people.
I lived in two towns that had 6,000 people. Try walking down the street in either of those town covered in blood. Your neighbors notice everything, even how tall your grass is. I don't like living in small towns; but, I understand it.
The killer knew the town and where everything around that church was. Everything. They planned it well in advance and were waiting to see the trigger. I believe that trigger was the elderly couple showing up, the only thing that we know happened semi-regularly. That means they were close by and had watched the comings and goings at that church. I cannot guess the reason and do not know that searching for a motive is useful. I believe searching for the person who knew they had the opportunity is the key. Few would have had known that the opportunity was there and killing at a church on a Sunday during services is either completely insane or highly planned and knowledgeable.
Let's say I am correct and it was someone that lived close by. How do you prove it with no DNA, witnesses or video? I don't know that answer. Let us even assume that the OSBI knows who the most likely suspect is, how do they prove it without a confession or a witness?
Let us assume that some came forward today and claimed that someone they knew admitted to the crime. The police bring them in and they deny it. Then what? We would not have enough to convict, evidence is required or a confession. Something was drawn or written on the inside of the back door; but, what it was has never been released to the public as far as I know and the church was taken down a year after the murder.
One of the biggest mistakes they made with the zodiac killer was focusing on who rather than what proof they had that could tie the killer to the murders, same for BTK.
I will give my guess. The murderer was a young black man who lived within two blocks and his family regularly attended church and he was forced to go. He took that Sunday off from church. I wont bother explaining how or why I came to that conclusion; but, lets say I am correct. It is still not proof.
I read that a seasoned veteran of cold cases has been assigned to this case. He knows who I am. He could agree with everything or nothing that I have said and still not have proof.
the police officer shot himself in the police dept in front of his girlfriend had just left his wife and found out the baby she was pregnant with was sergant howards not his and yes he botched the investigation and yes i believe the truth is the police know something about this tragedy and maybe its time someone investigates them but there is no justice in this town for anyone they do what they want think about how that station is a peyton place ,we have a gay officer who has had teenage girl firends and we have affairs come on we will never be safe
Dear October 19th anonymous,
Think, the officer that killed himself did so for his own reasons, they had nothing to do with the good pastor. They are unrelated events.
This is not about gay officers or what they do in their spare time. This is about something else. This is not about money, she had none. This is not about pride or ego, if that were true, the case would have been solved. Pastor Daniels was still killed with a motive and that is what is hard to figure out. It was not her ex.
Here is where I put it in the simplest terms possible. Was she killed because she was doing service in Anadarko or because of who she was personally? That is the first question we must answer to find the killer. She did not live in Anadarko.
Why has no one commented on the post by Anonymous on August 30, 2013? Was I the only one who was a little creeped out by it?
Can whoever made this post please elaborate? You are not making sense.
Dear anonymous 11/12/14
I want to be very clear. The Oklahoma Bureau of Investigation has not closed out this case. In fact they had assigned a Cold Case expert to it and I have personally told them about this blog. I have absolutely no idea what their suspicions are or what leads they are following up on; but, I am sure they are checking up on everything.
I don't know that this case will ever be solved. I don't like that; but, there is so little evidence. No DNA, no fingerprints, no witnesses that we know of and no film. The one bit of physical evidence that I know still exists is the rear door to the church. I believe something was written on it in blood; but, that has never been released so I cannot be sure.
The knife that was found at the car wash was not used to commit the crime from what we know. I have read just about every news report about this crime and have even communicated with the family. I also know what it takes to convict someone. This is a tough case to prove even if they had a firm suspect. You still need evidence. Be well.
Yes, someone killed her body, but could not harm her soul...
And, it doesn't really matter that much if the OBI find the person or not, justice will be meted out regardless. "They that live by the sword shall die by the sword."
The wretch that killed her accomplished nothing at all except maybe (unless there is repentance) sealed the damnation of their own soul for eternity.
Dear Alfred,
Let us pray that all may find salvation as Mr. Daniels would also wish. Given the choice between this person being caught or changing and finding salvation, I would hope for the latter and I believe that is what Pastor Daniels would have wished for. Be well.
Does no one suspect this has ties to the occult at all in terms of motive?
I.E. Blood Sacrifice?
It's no coincidence this murder was done on the 35th parallel, commonly known as the "line of tradgedy."
Dear Anonymous,
The police did investigate an occult connection. There was a heavy metal band playing the night before that used Satanic symbols in their show; but, they were investigated and it is believed they were absolutely not involved.
Let us just say that nobody knows the real intent at the moment. The starting place is to look for opportunity. I went back tonight and reread some of the updates from the news outlets in Oklahoma. Many have said that it must have been someone from out of town because it hasn't happened again in Anadarko; but, this crime has not been duplicated anywhere. This is not a serial killer, it is someone local who had their own reasons for their actions.
It has been a little more than 5 years and no new evidence has been found and I doubt any will because the police have looked and followed up on every lead they could find. No fingerprints, no witnesses, no dna and a door with writing on it probably in the Pastor's blood.
The odds of this being a random killing are almost zero as the person came prepared with some liquid to destroy the dna evidence. The person was not just "passing through" or they would not have entered a church on a Sunday with a knife and the liquid to destroy evidence as to an outsider it would have appeared to have a congregation inside. Let us not forget it was a block from the police station and a block from a convenience store which had cameras. Because of this, we know they did not park in front. They entered from behind where the field is.
The town has about 6,700 people. How many people had reason to know that she would be at the church by herself on a Sunday, it cannot be many. Whether either of is right in looking at motive or opportunity, the missing piece is still evidence and short of a confession, only the police know what evidence there is.
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Dear Melissa Cecei,
I did not understand your comment at all. Neither this thread nor this blog are a week old, they are many years old. Either you are randomly posting on blogs to let people know your e-mail address, are a program that automatically posts on blogs or you having an experience that you should discuss with someone close to you. This thread was not about me and the starting thread was begun about 5 1/2 years ago, not a week ago.
it's some kind of spambot...
nice to know a cold case guy has been looking at it...
very terrible and shocking crime; truly diabolical.
regards,
Alfred
Dear Alfred,
I regret to say; but, I do not know who specifically was assigned; however, I provided a link in one of my posts to a local paper's article and a cold case investigator was said to have been assigned to the case. I seem to recall that they were very experienced. This case has not been forgotten and the comments that I receive and the searched that lead people here have proven to me that interest in the case continues. The problem may be one of finding evidence. My prayers continue to be with the family.
After all these years and still no suspect huh? It blows my mind that this happened in such a tiny town and the killer butchered her and watched his steps with such finesse. This is so very disturbing. The pain and anguish that her family must feel knowing that that horrible monster is still out there somewhere. I know we mentioned Israel Keyes before and I know it's unlikely that it was him, but sometimes I hope it was, so the killer is no longer on the streets. Can you imagine that the killer may very well be reading this? All so very creepy and disturbing. It also appears that she was singled out, as you've never heard of anymore crimes like this. I used to think it was some crackhead or someone doped up, but there's no way anyone on drugs (in my opinion) could have executed such a massacre and leave no evidence. Must keep praying.
Dear Christie,
I would not say that the police do not have suspects, they may have many; but, that doesn't mean that they have sufficient evidence to prove someone is guilty. As far as we can tell this is still an active case.
I have followed this story from the very beginning...I keep asking myself..who would want to harm this precious woman of God? A servant who devoted her life to help those in need...continued prayers for the family of Rev Carol Daniels
Dear Anonymous 7/20/2015,
I have read many guesses on what the killer's motivation was; but, the evidence to this date alone will never tell us that. The killing does not appear to be related to a theft; but, people kill for so many other reasons. We kill when we believe our own life or pleasure or pain is more important in our mind than that of another. It always comes from a lack of love for others and fear for our own perceived interests. Perhaps we should focus and rejoice in those who give out of their own personal loss and pain, those who return good for evil. Isn't that what Jesus told us to do?
The killer/s will be someone who was most likely a homeless man who hung out behind the church. drinking and doing drugs. rev. Daniels befriended him or them in an attempt to save them. he or they attended the church for a brief period of time. Rev. Daniels may have preached on a subject that offended or angered the individual causing them to leave the church. She was blamed for her inability to save this or these individuals and was brutally murdered... She could have been murdered by the individual/s themselves or by a family member who blames her for the downfall of a relative of theirs.. such as a relative that has committed suicide...
Dear Anonymous 8/13/15,
It was not the homeless man who stayed at the car wash, the police investigated him and found no evidence.
There is something about this case that's being overlooked OR ignored..why has this case not received maximum/updated coverage? If this had happened in a city the size of NY or LA the exposure would have been different. I know Nancy Grace did a segment, but who else has stepped up? The community as a whole seems to be much too silent...much too passive...why is this? The Oklahoma church communities should be center stage in an effort to find truth....so far...I've not seen this level of involvement..how can anyone rest or sleep or be at ease in this community? Reminder to everyone. ....the killer/killers have not been caught!!!
Dear Anonymous 9/7/2015
Sometimes coverage and concern is not enough. The Zodiac killer has never been caught and it took 40 years to catch the BTK killer. To this date no credible witness has stepped forward (and it is doubtful that there is one), nobody has confessed and no evidence pointing to the killer has been found that we know of. Lets hope one of these things happens someday.
I agree with Anonymous; this is absolutely ridiculous and the only thing I can think of is the fact that the city is so small and they do not have the funds to devote to the investigation. If I had the money, I sure as hell would be assisting and hiring the very best private investigator/s that money can buy. It is also so crazy to think that whoever committed this crime did so in such a calculating manner. I mean they were EXTREMELY thorough with cleaning up behind themselves so that no evidence was left behind and I'm almost certain that they committed that same crime before because of the "skill" involved. I'm also surprised that the killer hasn't struck again, assuming that we would have heard about a similar crime. That really leads me to believe that it was a very personal crime against poor Pastor Daniels. I hope and pray that the killer is caught as quickly as possible!!!
Dear Christie B,
I disagree. Firstly, the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation and not just the local police have been investigating the crime. The OSBI has offered a reward and had assigned a cold case investigator to be dedicated to the case. I have followed this case from the beginning, look at the dates on my posts. I have responded to every comment and only deleted one comment for being inappropriate. I have even received correspondence from the family. Now lets look at what the police have to go on.
There is no crime scene because the church tore down the building. There was no DNA evidence because it was destroyed by the killer. There are no reports of any fingerprints at the site. There were no witnesses and no film of what transpired or who entered the building other than Pastor Daniels. Nobody has confessed to the crime. What physical evidence that does exist is limited, her clothes, the autopsy, the rear door (I believe that was kept because something was written or drawn on it; but, I cannot prove that). There are probably a bunch or crime scene photos; but, none of it points to a specific person. The killer did not leave their name or address at the crime scene.
The one piece of evidence that has not been released that may or may not be of use in getting someone to speak up is the rear door. It is also something only the killer would know about, necessary evidence to convict whoever it was. As for notoriety or private investigators finding the guilty party, we still haven't identified Jack the Ripper, the Black Dahlia killer, the Zodiac Killer or many others and I cannot begin to guess how many people worked on those cases. With the Zodiac case they even have DNA evidence; but, nobody to match it to.
I will not allow this site to be an attack on the OSBI or the others who have spent the last few years trying to find the killer. I will allow comments that question law enforcement; but, I will also remind people about what they have done and what they have to work with. If I thought the OSBI was missing something or not trying, I would be the first to call them out on it and rather rudely, as is my way. Look, I know this is the top search for Pastor Daniels and it isn't even the focus of this blog. I have openly said that the OSBI and FBI are free to investigate every point of origin for everybody that has read these posts and me. Now I will give my one suggestion for the OSBI. Release what was on the door and I will explain why.
Firstly, the OSBI has nothing identifying the killer after 5 years. Whatever was written or drawn on the door might make sense to someone else, someone that knew the killer, think Unibomber, it was his brother that identified him after reading his manifesto. The OSBI has nothing to lose at this point by releasing what was on the door and possibly something to gain.
My name is Justice and I'm just wondering why don't we get Cold Justice involved and see what they can do.
What/Who is Cold Justice?
Dear Christie,
I believe the person meant "cold case". If that is incorrect, hopefully the person will clarify.
Thanks Pimpernel!! I REALLY enjoy your posts and have for years; keep them coming!!!!!!! P.S. Do you think the killer is reading these posts? Doubt it but what I wouldn't give to beat his ass!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dear Christie,
Thank you for the comments and compliment. I don't know the answer to your question; but, will give you my best guess. My best guess is that if the person uses the internet (I know it is hard to believe; but, not everybody does), it is very possible that they searched the case and they would have come across this site. I know that certain criminals enjoy reading about themselves. The BTK killer liked to read about himself in the papers; but, did not understand much about computers which is how he was caught when he tried to use one and sent a disk to the police.
I go on the assumption that the killer has read the site not out of my sense of self importance; but, out of a sense of caution (not fear, lol). When reading comments I will not post names of living people who others think might have committed the crime and if I were to receive credible information, I would not post it, I would pass it on to the police so as to not warn the suspect. This is an important thing, not posting such things; but, giving them to the police.
It should be clear to anyone who has read this blog overtime that I don't do this for money (no advertising and the site has never been monetized) and I don't do it for personal recognition (I have never used my real name and don't name my family or friends when I talk about them).
I do know that members of Pastor Daniels have read this blog and it completely took me by surprise and humbled me. When I found that out, I stopped posting about anything for a bit and had to think about the effect I could have on others. I never expected anyone other than my real original target audience to read this blog and it was not about this case, this blog began as a "dead man's switch" and was meant to taunt very specific people about a very specific issue and after I achieved that goal I planned on ending it. I deleted the first two iterations of this blog and intended to quit; but, readers asked me to keep writing so I did. If you are a regular reader than you know, I rarely write about these types of crimes and in this third version of the blog have focused on politics and financial crimes with a good dose of looking differently at the news stories that others may have missed.
A while back someone contacted me and they wanted to start a Facebook page dedicated to this case and let people post thoughts and evidence and whatever might arise. My response was to be rude to them and refuse to give them any real information about me. I have no intention of giving personally identifiable information on this blog and would not post on Facebook which does just that. I also told them that it was a bad idea to post speculation on Facebook as the worst case scenario would be letting the killer know that someone else knew who they were, that is information for only the police.
I have written some various serious pieces about a company called CIM group and about certain actions by people who steal from public pensions. These are people with lots of money that could sue me; but, I don't think they want me taking court depositions from them because I know even more than I have written about them. I don't write everything because I lack certain evidence and people will not repeat certain things they have told me about them and other things. I do not write accusations about people that I cannot defend in court and don't allow others to do so on this site.
Continued
Recently I almost ended this blog. I was faced with a friend who I have been telling about self driving cars and trucks coming soon, I have written about this for years and they told me that it would not happen in our lifetime. I thought, what a waste of my time calling these things out is if my closest friends cannot see it. It depressed me and made me question this blog. Eventually I decided that something someone said a long time ago was still wrong. When I started this blog someone I knew said it was good but that nobody would understand what I was talking about, that it was too intellectual. They were wrong, everyone doesn't have to get it, if one or two people get it, I achieved my goal. I am glad you get it. Peace.
Christy, "vengeance is mine saith the Lord"
Please don't give up; we all appreciate you and your effort of keeping her memory alive. I strongly feel that one day the killer will be caught and then we will all have peace. Thank you for doing what you do. Keep it up!!!
Amen Alfred and thy will be done!!!
This is a case that has stayed on my mind. I grew up in Anadarko and visited this church as a child. Although Pastor Daniels was not associated with the church at the time her horrific murder has weighed on my heart. Thank you for keeping her case alive. My prayers go out to her family. I hope that this case is solved soon and that whoever is responsible will be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
So have you heard anything about this letter that was sent to the fail news from the killer?
Dear tan247,
Thank you for your comment. Can you tell me what the inside of the church looked like? I have seen many pictures of the outside; but, none of the inside. It looked very small. Was it one room or was their a back room too? Also any information about the people living in the immediate area would be good to know. Have a great Christmas.
Dear Unknown 12/24/2015,
I am familiar with the recent report about the letter that was sent to a newspaper. Someone over at a site called Websleuths posted the content. I found nothing of interest in it and apparently the letter is a year old.
This case has been on my mind like no other the past few months. I'm from Anadarko BTW.. So today I decided to make a FB page and added about 900 followers. All in hopes that we can keep the case going and maybe someone may come forward with info. You never know right.. Well today, after making the page I got news that a lady I know and her companion were found in there home in Anadarko. Sadly, she was found deceased he was mediflighted to OKC in critical condition. Someone mentioned the names of the two found. I knew one and the others name sounded familiar, Lawerence Hinton. After laying her thinking I'm like OMG Lawrence Hinton's brother (Michael Hinton Jr) was wanted for questioning awhile back in Pastor Daniel's murder. Well as of right now its only rumored that Lawrence and the woman found deceased were both brutly cut along the throat area same as pastor Daniels. APD are not releasing any info right now because they are still gather info. What are your thoughts on this? I am attaching a few things for you to look at.
This article is back when Pastor Daniels murder first happened
http://m.newsok.com/anadarko-inquiry-into-pastors-death-continues/article/3397788/?page=2
I have been telling the story of Carol Daniels for several years. I would very much like to meet her family. Our organization does not want this incident to be forgotten. Pimpernel, I believe in your opening paragraph you state that he incident happened in July. It happened on August 23. We Monitor all church related violence.
I have been telling the story of Carol Daniels for several years. I would very much like to meet her family. Our organization does not want this incident to be forgotten. Pimpernel, I believe in your opening paragraph you state that he incident happened in July. It happened on August 23. We Monitor all church related violence.
I too live in Anadarko, and attended this church as a child. When you walked into the church from the door there was about 4 or 5 benches on each side with their back to the wall adjoining the door. The door faced the west. The church set only about 12 feet from the house on the North of it. The basement was behind that home. To the South was a alley, and a business on the other side of the alley. The back door faced the East. The 2 lots behind the church from North where the street is to the South to the Alley is vacant. There is 3 small houses that still set to the North of where the church set, facing West. I do not know who lived in them at the time of the murder, but I know who owns them now. Not sure who owned them then.
To my readers,
I am sitting on a couple of comments that were submitted to me. One of them is in regards to a recent murder in Anadarko. The comment includes a name and I have yet to confirm that name is correct. I am waiting for the identity of the person killed to be confirmed by the police in the media. Once it is, I will post the comment.
Hi Pimpernel, I'm sorry when I posted my comment the other day I forgot to attach the news report about the Christmas Eve murder. There hasnt been any updates. So I am commenting to attach it. I also, wanted to add, that on my fb page I have added a link to your blog on my page. Several of the followers love your blog. Thank you so much and You are awesome!
http://www.kswo.com/story/30828468/osbi-investigates-christmas-eve-homicide-in-anadarko
I am so impressed by the persistence of you and your sleuthing colleagues in keeping this case alive and to make the effort to figure out what happened yourselves! I deeply regret that they razed the church so soon; it seemed like they were so ashamed about what happened there, a half block away from the police station, that they wanted the crime scene out of sight, out of mind as quickly as possible. I was utterly amazed to find such recent posts on the case; bless you for not giving up on Pastor Daniels. When I think that she was probably caught off-guard, bowing her head to pray with the killer, it makes my blood boil. But I know someone Who doesn't need to investigate anything--He knows exactly what happened because it happened in His Presence, and He will repay this in His time. "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Matthew 10:28
Dear Kat,
While it was not planned, this blog became a place for people to discuss what happened to Pastor Daniels. If not for people's interest in her, I probably would have killed this blog a few years ago. I did not create the interest in her case, I merely discussed it and others were looking to hear about it. I could not end the blog if it provided any comfort or assistance to others interested in the case. I have done nothing. I will not solve the case. I am only happy that the family feels that I am a positive force and useful.
"vengeance is mine saith the Lord, I will repay"
I believe it was someone local or by someone familiar with the town. Possibly by a relative that visits the town regularly. The Riverside Indian School just down the road from the church has students from all over the U.S. that come and go. Yes there was a "satanic" concert the night before the murder and several people came from outside of town and some more than likely stayed the night. In the town of Anadarko there us a huge following of Black Metal music. Especially followers of bands like 1349, Mayhem, Deicide, and Watain just name a few. If you look at the art that these bands use you will see what they are all about. These bands have been known to murder and burn churches down. Don't believe me? Do your own research. Look into Qayinites and their beliefs. The bands that played in Anadarko the night before were all pretty much involved in that type of music. Occult beliefs are very much alive in that town. I'm not saying that the bands that played that night did it but there is a possibility that some of them know something but they are just staying quiet. I could very well be in left field this is only my opinion.
Dear Anonymous 1/24/2016,
The police investigated the band that played the night before and found NO connection to the crime. It is also highly unlikely that anyone passing through would have even known about the church or that it would most likely be empty on a Sunday during service hours. There simply is no reason to believe that this murder was connected to the occult or that there was a back door. The same thing was said after the Tate LaBianca murders, people suspected Satanists; but, instead it was just Manson and his followers.
Start with means and opportunity before you begin looking for a motive. The town only has about 6,000 people. How many had the means to break in through the back door and knew that they would be seen going in through the front door? The murderer knew the church and that Pastor Daniels would be alone most Sundays. This was not a random killing and it was not by a bunch of musicians or their followers unless the police provide some striking new evidence.
Someone mentioned the recent Christmas Eve murder in Anadarko. The murder was very brutal and a suspect has been charged. The suspect's mother had been a member of the church and his brother an early suspect or at least wanted for questioning. http://kfor.com/2016/01/26/man-arrested-in-connection-to-christmas-eve-homicide-in-anadarko/
Dear Ms. Hopgood and Anonymous 2/1/2016,
To Anonymous I say thank you for the update. To Ms. Hopgood, I have now posted your comment. At the time you sent it to me I was unable to confirm the name. The link by Anonymous now shows the name as you stated, Mr. Lawrence Hinton and the victim was a Ms. Eddie Mahseet. From what the police have said so far there is no connection between the two crimes; but, Mr. Hinton has just been charged.
I am old, retired and do not use Facebook. If you now have a page on Pastor Daniels I would like a link so that I can read it. I cannot say if I will post or not. As you may have noticed this blog is anonymous for me and anyone who chooses to post anonymously. It is not anonymous because of the posts on Pastor Daniels, it is anonymous because of my posts on public pension fraud by investment firms that might not like what I have done in exposing their dishonesty.
It is now May 23,2016..so many years have passed and still NO JUSTICE for Rev Daniels..I'm grateful to have the opportunity to vent my overwhelming frustrations regarding this case.I find myself always grieving for this dear lady and her family.I still believe the perpetrator will be apprehended at some point...certainly in Life and even in Death, Pastor Daniels has touched the lives of many and no matter what the end result is with the various levels of investigations, she will never be forgotten...thank u Pimpernal for this but awesome blog
truly a horrific crime. The perpetrator, a psychopath no doubt, may well have already met his/her demise...
Guys- what can we do? What can I do? I cannot believe how much time has passed and nothing. I feel so compelled to do something, but I don't even know where to begin :(
peace. justice will prevail.
Dear Honeabee,
I know it has been seven years, I know the family still grieves. I never believed that this site would provide the answer. I have said that if I had reliable information I would not publish it, I would give it to the police so that they could surprise the culprit.
Let us presume a less fulfilling result. Let us say the person is never caught; but, how do they leave this world? Nobody gets away with crime because it gets in your heart and you see yourself. That is true for all of us and only us working with God can change the outcome.
Thank you Rev Carol Daniels for your faithful and committed service honoring Jesus Christ.There is something very awesome about a traveling evangelist...wish I could have met you..you will always be remembered.. prayers for your family always
http://kfor.com/2017/03/29/grand-jury-looking-into-brutal-unsolved-murder-of-anadarko-pastor/
There is way way more to this than can ever make since. They know who did it, always have, and they waited for Darnell cooper , one of the killers to die first. Why ?? and why would they send one of the other killers together with witnesses to go in front of the grand jury ?? To make sure the case stays tainted ?? And by the way they got there by her, being the wonderful nice lady she was, she gave them a ride from the Newcastle area of the city where they were stranded, to the church in Anadarko where they were from :
The last comment by Why lie was by someone who only registered with Blogger today. The author of the comment apparently joined today specifically to post this comment. I have no idea other than that who the person is. I have no idea as to what has been told to the grand jury or where the Newcastle area of Anadarko is. The town is so small I didn't know it had areas.
What the comment claims to say is that Pastor Daniels gave a ride to Ms. Cooper and apparently others to the church. I have problem with the statement. Pastor Daniels was caught on tape arriving at the church and no others were on tape. That fact was published within days of the murder. Lets be clear, the murderer entered through the back door not the front door with Pastor Daniels.
Lets remember basic facts. Pastor Daniels parked in front of the church and entered through the front. Her car was not found in the empty lot behind the church. The police kept the back door in evidence because the killer entered through the back door and may have left some writing on it or carving. Nobody else was seen entering the front door and when Pastor Daniels friends arrived they found the front door locked. The killer locked the front door and left via the back door.
The killer brought materials to hide the crime. The killer would have been covered in blood. The killer knew nobody would be in the church; but, they were wrong as Pastor Daniels friends did go to the church that day and called the police. The church was only a block from the police station and the back of the church could be seen from the police station and the gas station on the opposite side because in the back was a large vacant lot. Simple little facts that do not go away. Facts that can be proven.
I have never before read anything about Pastor Daniels having given a ride to Ms. Cooper nor have I read about Ms. Cooper until I received the previously linked article about the grand jury. Don't let the grand jury "solve" this case without real evidence. I believe the grand jury is being used to close this case by blaming a dead person; but, the facts remain to be addressed. Closing this case requires either physical evidence or a confession. I do not believe the grand jury will find either.
To the family of Pastor Daniels I say this. I was going to kill this blog years ago and kept it for this story alone. When this murder is solved I may move to YouTube or start a new blog. I have not decided. Until then I will call out any story I read that I do not find to be accurate or comport to the facts. I will not blindly accept anything written about her murder that is bull, unsubstantiated or offensive.
The OSBI would know if Pastor Daniels gave a ride to Ms. Cooper. They would know what has been said to the grand jury. Who else would? I posted all the articles I have found in the last week, none of them mentioned Pastor Daniels giving Cooper a ride, when she may have given her a ride or where she took them; but, we do know that Pastor Daniels car was on videotape and nobody was seen entering the front with her.
was her car still there? parked in front of the church? (after the murder)
Alfred
Alfred, it was reported that the police had closed circuit television video from I one of the adjacent properties that showed the front of the church. Awhile ago it was reported that nobody was shown going in after Pastor Daniels. As for her car, it was never reported missing and the police must have taken it to impound. Why did this surprise you Alfred? Did you think the car had been stolen or that someone else had driven her to the church because I have never read that.
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